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So You Want Your Art FrontPaged?

Posted by SourCherryJack - 12 days ago


JACK GOES BEHIND THE SCENES ON THE ART FRONTPAGE!!


So the art forum goes through waves of newer users either becoming frustrated that their art isn't being frontpaged, or curious about how the frontpaging system works here on Newgrounds. I've been meaning to peel back the curtain on this for a little while now, and have generally been refraining from going more in depth in the forums in favor of a deeper dive. I have a bit of time to get into it today so here's my long-put-off inside baseball on getting your art frontpaged.


*DISCLAIMER making art with the sole intent of getting attention, and by extension frontpages is a bad reason to make art, draw what you like and what inspires you... but anyway, on to the guide.


Who (or WHAT) decides what gets FrontPaged?


Admins and Art Moderators. That's it, no algorithms, or ai's to worry about, if your work got FP'd a human came across it, and thought "hey neat" and clicked the "frontpage this art" button. There is a thread in the General forum with recommendations for the Frontpage that does a lot of good work and often recommended work ends up featured. Although if you are an artist reading this, I do not recommend posting your own art in there, it feels like poor etiquette and generally will rub people the wrong way, so just participate if you see cool art and post in there, maybe someone will see your account because of it and think "hey I should put this cool user's art in here.


When is the best time to post to get Frontpaged?


Our Fearless Leader TomFulp does a majority of the frontpaging, and is mostly online doing that in the morning (NG Time) So around 5:00 - 8:00 am (NG Time) is probably your optimal posting time, but these aren't necessarily hard numbers, and this is just what I've noticed over the years. The Art Moderators are volunteers and don't have super structured times they go through the Art Portal so there's not gonna be a set time to catch any of us. Sorry.


What should I draw to get Frontpaged?


While I do not recommend drawing explicitly to get your art Frontpaged there are a few ways to bait an FP. Pixel art is a good first choice, as is drawing anything that has to do with Newgrounds culture; Castle Crashers, Salad Fingers, Tankmen, Friday Night Funkin' etc. Other good options are playing the zeitgeist, if a hot new movie/tv show/videogame/anime is coming out, draw something related to that. Evergreen pop culture properties like Legend of Zelda, Super Mario, Street Fighter etc. are also good options. Another good proven method to get Frontpaged is to participate in sitewide holidays such as Pico Day, Madness Day, Robot Day, Clock Day etc. Be sure to tag your work with whatever the post says to and post it up, chances are you'll get frontpaged for it.

If you want to bait me personally, do some traditional art with intricate inkwork, or something with interesting color use, out there compositions and/or weird character/creature designs are all good starts... Also Guyver and Soul Reaver fan art will probably catch me.


Of course all of these suggestions are predicated on the assumption that they are well composed and complete pieces. If you are posting up art that has obvious shortcomings, and look incomplete or partially phoned-in, there's a slim chance you're going to end up Frontpaged. If you're looking at a drawing thinking "I could've cleaned that up a bit" chances are so is whoever would consider frontpaging it. I can't speak for other mods, but I do have a list of artists whose work I like a lot and am waiting on their super baller piece to FP.

Jack, what do you mean by complete exactly?!

I say complete piece because the general criteria of the Frontpage isn't necessarily "this is the best piece I've ever seen omg!!"

The way I go about it, and the way that seems to be agreed among Frontpages is that they're all not begging for more work. Whether it's an incredibly rendered digital painting with multiple characters and a full background, or a single cartoony character with a simple geometric shape background (or even no BG), in order to be frontpaged both need execute on what they set out to do. Obviously one was harder and took more time to do, but both should be drawn in such a way that they don't leave the viewer demanding any more from them. It's a difficult concept to explain, but if a character is floating awkwardly in a white void, or if a full scene has an area that looks empty and throws off the composition they'd both feel incomplete and would probably leave the audience wanting more, and would not be featured. However if the character is standing with a shadow and small details that imply they're standing on the ground, and the artist explicitly chose no background to keep the focus, that is complete. And if the full scene has an area that is empty but shown to be destroyed or wiped out intentionally and the composition supports it then it is complete. Both Frontpage worthy.


I've been posting for YEARS! I still haven't been frontpaged what gives!?


I get that it might be frustrating to not get the recognition of an FP after posting a ton of art, especially when there are a bunch of well known artists who seem to have a reserved spot on the Frontpage. The simple reality is you don't wait around to get Frontpaged, you gotta work to improve your skills to get to the point where a mod or admin looks and says "dang, that's some baller art, I'm gonna showcase it." That's it; it takes time, work and honestly, a decent amount of luck, catching the right mod at the right time. Even with all the ways I listed at the start to get frontpaged the absolute best thing you can do is learn. Learn and experiment with art, get better and better. Frontpage features are cool, I'm not gonna lie, I get a nice ego boost when I get one, but compared to being an objectively better artist and being capable of drawing dope stuff, it's small beans.


I'm really good at drawing! How do I get my work out there so a mod will see it?


Post your work in the Art Portal, be sure to get scouted (Ornery's Scouting Guide & Luwano's Thread) Now your art will appear in the main Art Portal, already there's a much better chance your work will be seen. Next you can make a thread in the Art Forum I can't speak for the other Mods, but I'm usually there every day or every other day poking around. A personal art thread is a good place to post up a lot of your art and works in progress, as well as get more structured feedback on what to improve. Being an active member of the art community here on Newgrounds will only help raise your profile and get more views on your work, so it's good if you're trying to catch attention. Beyond that, as much as I hate to admit it, a lot of the NG community operates offsite on twitter and discord servers; so getting involved in those portions of the community might be worth it for you as well.


Should I ask a mod or admin directly to frontpage my work??


Haha No! Silly.


That's it, good luck.

I hope you found these insights and recommendations helpful.

The tl;dr on this is to always improve, and make the best art you can possibly make; eventually you'll get there.


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what if I get hungry and mc donalds is closed?

Just sit outside and wait for it to open.

gonna bookmark this page and setup a frontpage strategy from this info.

Good luck, hombre.

Tom updates the Frontpage art every morning as part of his routine. If you're looking to get featured on the frontpage and trying to coax the system, I would advise against it. It is better to be noticed naturally.

Yes, I put that he frontpages art in the morning NG Time
So what, in your opinion, is the line between being noticed naturally vs coaxing the system?

I tried a lot of this but uHHHHHHHH trial and error i guess

Keep drawing, keep improving, you'll get there man!

It’s just luck.
I’ve been browsing the Art Portal for a while now and I’ve seen genuine masterpieces get ignored and some arguable works getting the spotlight. Some Long-time artists here never get frontpaged while a new artist who has yet to receive “scout status” gets frontpaged after a piece gets a few votes.

My recommendation: Never art dump!
Try to post just a few pieces of work a day and post at different times. There may not be a lot of activity in certain hours, so posting your works during different times of day (morning, noon, or night) may increase the chance of being noticed. Dumping them all in a span of a day, or even an hour in some cases, might have negative effects to how viewers see your works: overexposure, stuffing followers’ feed, etc. Add that to possible inactive days or hours, and you’re asking for your works to be ignored.

It's not an exact science, and I'm not saying what you've said regarding longtime artists being overlook isn't true, because it definitely happens. The unscouted user being frontpaged after a few votes is a bit weird because votes don't add to visibility; maybe they posted in the forums? I'm sharing my experience as an art moderator, and as someone who's been posting art to the site for a little over a decade now. So, while I don't think this is the end-all-be-all (or really that anyone should put too much value in being FP'd at all), I feel my experience is not insignificant to the users asking these questions.
I do agree dumping art is definitely a bad practice, unless the poster has a varied set of art styles, or is just really really good. Posting back to back similar thumbnails are more than likely going to get ignored by the general population when they're browsing the portal.

@SourCherryJack ive seen pixel art around my level get frontpaged so ill pursue that as well

If your heart is in it and you're having a good time, you can never go wrong.

@SourCherryJack do you like milk? if so what's your favourite flavor

Not really no, but in the rare instance I eat cereal I'll generally go for whole milk.

I'll continue to top myself and make what I want to make. That's the more important goal.

That’s also the right answer!

@SourCherryJack I understand and I’m not arguing anything against your long term experiences here. I just wanted to put emphasis on, like you said, it not being an exact science. As with all social media, you basically have to trip into being noticed.
Maybe I’m misremembering the unscouted example because it was probably this one case I recall where the artist only had four pieces and the piece that got frontpaged had not many views and very few votes.

As for art dumping however, I argue that it’s bad no matter the quality or the variation of the pieces. If they’re all masterpieces, shouldn’t each masterpiece have their own time in the artist’s personal spotlight? Art dumping masterpieces is like shipping paintings to a museum in bulk by UHaul.

This begs the question to whoever does this: why do you prefer dumping your art all at once over posting like one to four a day? You have a whole portfolio of excellent works and you decide to squander their notice-potential overnight?

Well there's the thing, Newgrounds isn't like other social media. The 'content' is not curated by an algorithm, there's no ai learning what an individual user likes and showing them more like it; there are moderators and admins who frontpage the art, music, and animations. So there isn't an ever changing algorithm to chase to maximize views and exposure, if an artist is trying to get noticed or 'play the system' they're working with getting human curators' attention. Also with a much smaller userbase and pool of 'content' to be in competition with here on NG, there is a lot less blind luck when it comes to getting attention, than there is on sites like Instagram or Twitter.
The cases where small relatively new accounts get a frontpage does happen pretty frequently. I've frontpaged art from artists new to the site after they posted in the forums and caught my attention with some really nice art. So I frontpaged it. Being frontpaged is in no way tied to length of time spent on the site; cool art is cool art and if a Mod or admin comes across it, it'll get frontpaged. If you're following an account that has great art that you feel deserves to be featured, by all means, go to the thread in the general forum (link in my post) and post their work up in there.
I can't speak to why people dump art, but hey, it's their rodeo I guess.

Very informative! Thanks for taking the time to explain how it all works

You're welcome, it beats rewriting or copy and pasting it every few days in the art forum

@SourCherryJack
AI Algorithms was never on my mind when I wrote that. Even social media sites that use those features, users still have to rely on other users to get and keep recognition. Horror games during the 2010s exploded not because of an algorithm, it was because popular YouTubers used their games for their videos and got a fruitful return because of it. You said you’ve frontpaged new users. To the artist, that’s still luck because they don’t know the person who frontpaged them, yet they’ve managed to grab the certain mod’s attention and thus spontaneously granted something beneficial for them. Also, I hope you and those who are reading my post understand that I don’t mean any of this as a negative thing or a complaint: It’s just the magic of all of us being social animals!

My ultimate statement is:
1. Don’t Art Dump because it’s a waste to yourself, your work, and others.
2. Don’t have your artistic career depend on following trends. It’s best for Lady Luck to hit you when you are doing what you absolutely love! I strongly believe Friday Night Funkin’ was never expected to be a hit.

Thank you so much for taking the time to do this! Bookimarking for future reference :)
I've always thought that you just have to put effort into the art you're making, two of my pieces got Frontpaged, art of Doraemon and one of good ol' Psychogoldfish, gonna definitely be using this guide to my advantage, again thank you so much! :D

You do have to put effort in, and to reiterate, you shouldn't draw strictly to be frontpaged. This is just a list of what tends to end up frontpaged, and how it works. Working hard and making really good art is always going to be the best way to get noticed and fulfil yourself

thank you now i know how to get to newgrounds frontpage walkthrough 2022 working no hacks

@SourCherryJack absolutely, art is all about expression, and that's what it'll always be about, getting noticed and Frontpaged is just a bonus and a great motivator :)

This is interesting, thank you for the thread!

No problem!

To get specific on my routine, every morning I go through all of the E-M art by scouted artists from the past 24 hours (while listening to the Audio Portal from the past 24 hours). I check Undiscovered occasionally but generally depend on the community to scout good artists. If a good artist gets scouted but never posts any additional art, there is a chance they could get overlooked. This is where the Front Page Suggestions thread is especially helpful.

On the topic of "art dumps", I agree this isn't the best approach. Sometimes someone will post the 10-20 pieces of art they made over the past year and if they are all good, I'll likely feature one of them and if I'm on the ball, I'll revisit them over the coming days to feature more. That doesn't always happen, though, so you would get much better results if you spread your art out over multiple days.

If someone wants to bait me specifically, Neo Geo and Treasure (game company) fan art holds a special place in my heart. I try to feature a lot of OCs too, though. Pixel art, sci-fi and robot stuff is always welcome.

Thanks for dropping in with the breakdown! Never would've guessed you'd be into NeoGeo fanart

Thanks for the info!

Thanks for the advice!!! I'll keep working hard until one day I get one

One question, multiple versions adds some points to get frontpaged? As I have seen some art getting frontpaged that has multiple art for the same context

So the scientific way to get on the front page is to make fanart (play with people's nostalgia), post daily, and use the 5:00 am to 10:00 am optimum time!

That settles it, I need to actually make a Personal Art Thread after having put it off for a while. Gonna hop on that "Gajillionaire Grindest".

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